Midlife Uncensored

Insecurities Part III: Moving Forward by Living with our Insecurities or Overcoming Them

• Joel Poppert • Season 1 • Episode 32

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In this episode of The Owning Alone Podcast, your favorite friendly Sasquatch, Joel, and co-host Emanuela dive into a pivotal shift as they announce a rebrand of the podcast. After some laughs about Joel’s wardrobe malfunction and reflections on personal quirks, the duo shares the exciting direction of their new podcast name and vision. As part of their ongoing "Insecurities" series, Joel and Emanuela explore how insecurities manifest in midlife, from overcoming personal doubts to embracing aging bodies. They also share their own experiences of navigating imposter syndrome, body image, and financial anxieties. Tune in for a blend of humor, honest conversations, and insights on living authentically in midlife. 

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Speaker 1:

you weren't no record. It's recording now okay, damn, you guys missed out. Was that a cough or a sneeze?

Speaker 2:

I don't know what it was, I'm just doing a sound check here.

Speaker 1:

I think I'm too loud.

Speaker 2:

All right, all right, all right. Look what Is my fly open or something? Oh, it is open. It's always open. What the fuck? What Is that what you're laughing at?

Speaker 1:

Yes, Did you do that on purpose?

Speaker 2:

I forget my flight like 50 percent. Oh my god, it's 50, 50.

Speaker 1:

I walk out with an open or closed oh my god, I don't know why I just found that so funny oh, at home it like I'm just like I look down there and I'm like yeah, whatever, nobody's here, so hello and then I'll go outside at some point and be like, oh yeah, I should have closed that all right.

Speaker 2:

Well, everybody, welcome back to another episode of the owning alone podcast. This is your favorite friendly sasquatch with the epic beard game and Manuela Messineo, also known as E. We're here to inform you that this is going to be the last episode under the brand of the Owning Alone podcast. We are rebranding under a new name, which we just decided, and we'll talk more about that at the end. Create a little excitement about where we're going, but we're not throwing all of our listeners away. We're actually, I think, expanding on the listeners that we have and hopefully growing around a more consolidated topic that's one we enjoy and live.

Speaker 2:

So this is going to be part three of the insecurities insecurities series, and this is this last. One will be overcoming our insecurities and learning to live with them. Before we get into our updates and all the things, remember to follow us on Instagram at owningloan That'll change too, I guess, and you can email us at joel at owningloanpodcastcom. We also have our personal pages. You can intimately slip into our DMs, send us your questions, tell us your stories. What's going on? We want to hear from you.

Speaker 2:

Our audience has been growing and we're loving it. We're having a good time, so that's part of the reason why I would call it, instead of rebranding, I'll call it up-branding.

Speaker 1:

You yeah. Up-branding, oh boy, I don't even know if that's a term this whole branding exercise we did today is really uh, yeah, you're really embracing it, we are, we didn't.

Speaker 2:

I like there's like storyboards over here and all kinds of organized girl shit, so did a good job here. You definitely have more post-its than I do by three times it's okay 300 more.

Speaker 1:

I love pink ones than green ones, but yeah, we. I'm just going to throw Post-it notes all over my wall and I'm going to call it wallpaper.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you did that. I just asked you at GDP what I should do with my life Did you seriously, I'm so dependent on AI now.

Speaker 1:

Yes, you are. Yeah, I'm totally leaning into that. You're so funny.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I like the frame leaning in. You like that phrase.

Speaker 1:

Doug leaning in. You like that phrase. Doug hates that phrase. Leaning in, leaning into something. Yeah, he does. He not like it because you would knock him over if you leaned a lot of people over. I don't know, he just doesn't like it.

Speaker 2:

You shouldn't use that. I'm like, well, I can't help it. It's so when I edit our things, you know what else I say all the time?

Speaker 1:

blah, blah, blah yes, I know, I noticed it in the last episode. I was like he's saying that a that, a lot my business partner always says what is his phrase?

Speaker 2:

He's got a phrase he uses all the time. If I had a dollar for every phrase, he'd never.

Speaker 1:

Yada.

Speaker 2:

No.

Speaker 1:

I say I think da-da-da-da-da a lot. I'm trying to not say that too much. You've made me very aware of these filler words I use, so I'm trying to actually just slow down and think about my response before I do. And so much that people are like are you still there? Yeah what's happening?

Speaker 2:

between the two of us. We use about 10 ums or likes per minute.

Speaker 1:

Is this like something we could? I just did it. Is this something we could improve on if we took some kind of class or something.

Speaker 2:

I mean I don't know. I mean, do you notice that I didn't get it edited out, Cause I think that the software does a pretty good job?

Speaker 1:

It does I mean sometimes it's a little choppy, but it I think overall is it's pretty smooth for as much as you say you cut out. I think it's.

Speaker 2:

I think it's smoother than I mean I changed it recently to only do like and ums and the rest of the stuff it can keep. So it also takes out like double phrases, which we do a lot of too, I guess. So so when you say things twice, it'll pick up on that and take it out. We try our best, I don't know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean we can be like we can be like Alyssa for an episode. That is where she, when I edited our episode, she literally didn't. She's a litigator too, so I mean that makes some sense. She's worked very hard, not to say. Could she come back and give us some pointers on that, maybe?

Speaker 1:

I think we just chalk it up to.

Speaker 2:

This is the way we talk, uh, and let's let this, let's let the computer do the rest, and just not. Let's focus on the content and not. But if you want to be a little conscious of it, you can. I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1:

So, um, uh I guess I talk like a teenage girl.

Speaker 2:

Blah, blah, blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So how are you? You were like in, you were in, uh, the ball sack area of america's dick.

Speaker 1:

It's where the sack meets the shaft, is that? Also known as jacksonville is that why I'm feeling frisky this weekend? No, I'm kidding my mom's what.

Speaker 2:

Was it my mom? It was my mom or Lauren, or somebody was like what they call it America's dick. I'm like you never heard that before.

Speaker 1:

I've never heard that it's certainly America's dick Florida. Is that? Why Are you? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2:

Would, is that? Why are you? Yeah, I don't know. Would you ever live in america's?

Speaker 1:

of course I would live in the dick, live right on the shaft, oh my god, of course you would I don't know if I want to live in the ball sack.

Speaker 2:

I would I don't know you live right on the side really, yeah, like a louisiana is the back of the sack yeah, is it hairy it's fucking florida. Yeah, florida's hairy as hell lord shady place for well the I mean, yeah, okay, we're, my mind is going we're lost in different directions. It's fine. We're gonna lose all our florida? No way, no way. They all know that in the day we like florida um, I think florida gets a bad.

Speaker 2:

I mean, people in florida are crazy. There's no doubt about it. There's a lot of crazy people, people everywhere are crazy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but florida, um, I think florida gets a bad. I mean, people in florida are crazy. There's no doubt about it. There's a lot of crazy people.

Speaker 2:

People everywhere are crazy yeah, but florida's definitely got. It definitely earns its reputation. There's a lot of fucking crazy people in florida. It's there's a lot of old people in florida, and old people tend to be crazy.

Speaker 1:

So is that where we're headed? Oh?

Speaker 2:

I got no problem throwing boomers under the.

Speaker 1:

Maybe that should be our halfway to crazy. Maybe that should be our rebrand.

Speaker 2:

Halfway to crazy. Halfway to crazy. Halfway to crazy. I mean, I was born crazy, but I'm predisposed to be crazier. If you ever met my father.

Speaker 1:

I'm not crazy.

Speaker 2:

You're not.

Speaker 1:

I'm on the low end of the crazy scale.

Speaker 2:

You're on the low end of the crazy scale.

Speaker 1:

Depends how many buttons you push.

Speaker 2:

Being crazy is not an insecurity that I have. I own that. I think people should own their crazy and I think if they're crazy then they should really deal with that. But I think just being quote unquote crazy as in you, do you that's fucking perfectly fine. Now, florida going back to Florida crazy, there's a lot of people that are crazy in Florida. Now, florida, going back to Florida crazy, there's a lot of people that are crazy in Florida. And there's a lot of people that are crazy everywhere but Florida just has a very large concentration of crazy.

Speaker 1:

You think there's more there. Yeah, okay, yeah, the look on your face, I mean I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Florida's an interesting just has interesting dynamics.

Speaker 2:

There's a lot of old people, but that doesn't explain it all, because if you see, like the news and stuff from florida I mean it's I don't know, it just says there's a mob mentality in every place.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's all right.

Speaker 2:

Well, colorado has got like tons of crazy people I mean we're we, we're like for how great this state is like. We have, I think, the largest, one of the largest amount of shootings per capita.

Speaker 1:

That's what I was gonna, that's what I was thinking about so we harvest some real real winners too yeah so florida was good. I like florida. You were in florida the week before, yeah, the week before. We talked about that one on the left lounge, no.

Speaker 2:

And then you did your florida trip. I've never been to jackville. I've heard mixed reviews.

Speaker 1:

I think it depends on where in Jacksonville you go. There's definitely so. I was I mean, I've worked all week so I wasn't really there for fun and I had a pretty jam-packed work schedule and then did some like dinners and stuff with people. We, the office, our office there is in St John's town center, like that area. So that's like a cute area but it's all like chain restaurants and it's like a mall and whatever. But it's clean, it's nice, you can walk around, whatever. So that makes it there's a lot of stuff right there. That's very convenient. So that was good.

Speaker 1:

But one of my coworkers took me downtown on the river, which was cool Like I've never been. I mean, it wasn't anything crazy Got to see one of my customers is headquartered there. They have a big building there, so that was cool. They have a new water fountain thing that's choreographed with music around there, so that was cool to see. And then Friday after work actually I'm hosting a workshop down there in November so I went and toured a couple or checked out a couple of the hotels for to use for this workshop that I'm doing. So and then I got a little bit of beach time, and by beach time I don't know, maybe an hour or so Friday evening and then I flew home super early on Saturday morning. Um, my sister from Ohio is here this weekend, so got to see her and my younger, her youngest son, who's six, I think 16. I think he's 16. I think he's 16. Going on 17 here in a couple months. So I took him paddle boarding over at Soda Lake or whatever that Bear Creek Reservoir, is that what that's called?

Speaker 2:

It's called Soda Lake. What's the park? Bear Creek State, bear Creek City Park or City Park? You're right, it's a city. I think it's part of Bear Creek state park, but but it's lakewood owns that part of it. Oh okay, gotcha okay, anyway.

Speaker 1:

So that was my, uh, that was my fun and exciting week all filled with work which has been like, uh, very interesting. We actually did. I I wonder if we should do an episode on this my, our hr team put or I say our HR team is one person more than most places specifically, uh, put together a really cool workshop.

Speaker 1:

It was about a day and a half on crucial conversations, which is a book you can read, but she does this whole like workshop around it, which is like the. The content comes from the author of the book, but she was. She went through some kind of training to to lead this workshop and it was really good. It was a I think a lot of it I tend to naturally do, but it was nice to have some formality around it and learn some tips and tricks for having crucial conversations with people.

Speaker 2:

Interesting.

Speaker 1:

I'm glad that you and I don't need to have one of those.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I've never had an HR person in my life.

Speaker 1:

So tell me, what have you been up to? It's Labor Day weekend, or it's Labor Day today? Well, we had the.

Speaker 2:

this is the first recording since we had the luau Luau was good Appreciate everybody that showed up for that. I think that was fun. There was like so many different people from both of our sides that got to meet each other, and for the people that didn't show up, shame on you, and this is a lot of meat in my freezer now.

Speaker 1:

Oh my God For you guys.

Speaker 2:

So that was great. It was so nice to have my, my couple friends that flew in and scott fisher came and you know it was a good time then, just like work was really busy, uh, last week, as always, and then oh my gosh, you got a birthday since our last episode too. Yeah, I'm 44 now, uh, because I can't say 44 in Spanish. Yeah, I'm old, definitely getting towards the top of the hill, and you know I'm doing good, I'm dating again.

Speaker 1:

Oh, fill me in.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Can we go? Can we do an update on that? It's going well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like I'm dating. Yeah, I'm dating. It's good, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1:

I like it. I'm going to share much more about that. Okay, that's all right. Yeah, we'll save it for a Love Laugh Lounge.

Speaker 2:

For a Love Laugh Lounge. Hopefully it doesn't end up in a Love Laugh Lounge.

Speaker 1:

Well, just the updates, can no, I just the Labor Day has been busy.

Speaker 2:

It's Fish Dicks. Every year Fish goes to Dick's Sporting Goods for their four-day show and which brings a lot of my old friends into town. So I got to catch up.

Speaker 1:

Is it always Labor Day weekend? Yeah, oh, okay, I don't think I realized that.

Speaker 2:

So a bunch of friends in town, so just like barbecues and hanging out, hanging out.

Speaker 2:

I did go to the show last night my buddy that works for rapids got us box suites tickets for cheap, so like we were in a box, which was awesome way to see the show was amazing. Actually, fish always puts on an amazing show. Got to see the serious people watching in the park like the fish shows. The nitrous scene let's just talk about the nitrous scene at the fish shows is unbelievable to me. It was, yeah, like the younger generation is. Really. I don't know if it's the younger generation, I think it's still our generation too.

Speaker 2:

I don't know how many people know about. I mean I guess our generation knows about fish. Fish was the 40s, somethings like band right. So I mean there are so many people at those shows that are the. There's a young hippie wannabe. You know the wooks and all those things they're called wookies. And then there's the people like my friends that are very successful professionals or senior partners at law firms and stuff that just don't miss shows and go to shows and there's such a diverse crowd there. But then there's just a lot of drugs and a lot of nitrous in that parking lot.

Speaker 2:

The whole stadium outside of the stadium was, but then there's just a lot of drugs and a lot of nitrous in that parking lot, the whole stadium outside of the stadium, was because I don't think the cops like wanted to intervene. I guess Because people with just tanks everywhere it seemed like everywhere you walked it was either people filling balloons up or taking them down and I was just in awe. I'm like geez. You know, like the beers and the acid or whatever else you were doing wasn't enough. I'm not judging anybody, but I am a little concerned about how much that's got stepped up recently. But beyond that, uh, yeah, we're. That was pretty good update, let's dive in. Okay, what are you insecure about?

Speaker 1:

Well, I'll tell you a new insecurity that just came up in this last week I noticed gray hairs in the back of my head. Oh, I thought they were just in the front. I'm really sad about this. There's a lot of them all over the place, joel, yeah, it happens pretty quick. Well you, you have black hair.

Speaker 2:

That was bound to happen, I'm sure you're gonna be. You're gonna be either have to dye it or be silver.

Speaker 1:

I do dye it all the freaking time, which is why I'm like real upset about this. But it's fine, I just have to pay a little more attention to dyeing the back of my head too, and I do it, they don't dye at all no, I just do it myself because it's all like one color, so it's expensive to get your hair dyed.

Speaker 1:

I do get hair extensions I wouldn't know so this is a good topic, I suppose, because my hair is like very thin. So that has been, I guess, some level of an insecurity my thin hair.

Speaker 2:

Do you think you're going to go bald, or what?

Speaker 1:

No, well, like my dad was bald, but hopefully that doesn't run on the female and the females. But my sister and I have both struggled with like very thin hair and I mean I think it's natural as you age to have thinning hair too, even as women. Certainly can be hormone related and stuff like that. But, um, so I actually get extensions in my hair just for like more like thick, to have like thicker hair, not for the length, cause my hair is not that long, but yeah, so I spend my money on that and I don't get like highlights or stuff Like my hair is so thin it'll break. So I the only thing I can do is just dye it my natural color, which is very dark brown. I mean I probably go a little bit darker than my natural, but yeah, so that was a new little surprise for me that I was very upset about and I'm like I don't know.

Speaker 2:

It's just, aging is hard, it's a reminder, we get reminded, I'll find like a wrinkle or I'll see a picture of myself because in my mind I, I still look young and handsome. Now I'm old and handsome, I'm definitely like. I definitely I don't think one of the things when we age, I don't think we, we like remind, I don't think we're like. We don't think we look as old, we don't think we're like we were. I don't think we look as old. We don't feel like we look as old as maybe we do. Right.

Speaker 2:

You so and I don't mean that in like we look older than our age. I think that in my head I'm still like, I still look like the same I did when I was in my twenties.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I do no, I do Period.

Speaker 2:

You do.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're one of those unicorns, uh-huh sure well, so I like getting, I like aging. I think I'm getting better.

Speaker 2:

I actually think I'm getting better looking as I get older, but that's just me I love it how do I deal with my insecurities?

Speaker 1:

I hide them underneath my confidence oh my god, you are so funny. I yeah. So that's a new little insecurity for me. Got to stay on top of dyeing my hair.

Speaker 2:

Jesus, that's one way to do it.

Speaker 1:

Um well, yeah, I mean what else? What other option is it? I mean, I could lean in and just go all gray. That would still require dyeing my hair, though, cause it's not all gray.

Speaker 2:

So I'd rather, so I'd rather keep it where I mean, I think most, a lot of women dye their hair. Yeah, and I think it's because, like most women don't go there's fear. There's few women that I know, like my mom has this friend barb. She's a beautiful woman, she's like in her 70s and she is just gray, like Like just it all went gray.

Speaker 1:

It went white.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like Gandalf.

Speaker 1:

I feel like my I don't know that mine will naturally go a way that I can just leave it Like. I think I'll still have to dye. I think I'll have to dye my hair forever. Whatever, even if it's gray, I think I'll still have to dye it some way. But that's good.

Speaker 2:

Anyway, sorry, I mean I'm kind of wondering what I'm going to do, because I got about five years before my beard's completely white, if not.

Speaker 1:

Are you worried about that?

Speaker 2:

I'm not worried about it. I guess I'm just more like I like the salt and pepper and since I don't have hair on my head, it's kind of like we'll see what it looks like, right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah head.

Speaker 2:

It's kind of like we'll see what it looks like, right? Yeah, because I don't particularly. I'm not a big putting creams on your face and dying stuff and blah blah. I make sure I don't have hair. I try to make sure I don't have hair in my ears and nose, which, as you get older men like that shit just grows overnight. It's crazy to me. I looked the other day. I was like there's a fucking forest in my ears, we're talking about insecurities, and then there's, like always, a hair that grows like three inches overnight. It's just like dangling no I have one on.

Speaker 1:

It's not even a chin hair which I'm getting that shit lasered off because I'm italian. So the all this hair in places I don't want is getting lasered off the Italian mustache. But there's one on my neck. It's so weird. It's not there, it's not there, and then all of a sudden it'll be like super long.

Speaker 2:

Have you ever gotten a skin tab?

Speaker 1:

No, I do know what they are, but I've not had any.

Speaker 2:

I've gotten them. I pull them off. What is?

Speaker 1:

that Ew, I've gotten them. I pull them off. What is that Ew, ugh.

Speaker 2:

Ugh, you know it's gross.

Speaker 1:

Oh God, no, Stop talking, I can't. No, Ew, I don't get a lot of them, but I've had them before.

Speaker 2:

Usually it's where men shave.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

I used to have a gymnasium teacher that had them on his eyes.

Speaker 1:

Gymnasium teacher. Gym teacher gymnasium teacher are you tired? I am tired. I feel like you're. Yeah, you stayed up. That's not in a bad way. I didn't go to bed until 1 30 last night yeah, it was sober.

Speaker 2:

I was dd last night good job the mad. I played the. My friends were like this is like magic, like we just left the show and we're already at home. I'm like, yeah, it's nice to have a dd, because you get stranded out there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's not downtown and I didn't want to be a wreck today.

Speaker 2:

Because you get stranded out there at Dick's, because it's not downtown and I didn't want to be a wreck today.

Speaker 1:

It's too bad that the light rail doesn't go right there. I mean, I know it goes somewhat close, but I think it's at least a few miles, isn't it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's not close to there.

Speaker 1:

Which that's a shame. Similar to Red Rocks, they should run just a bus service from the closest light rail. Get people to the station.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Because it's really hard to get out of Red Rocks too. Anyways, that's just my. I'm going to talk to RTD Denver.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, all right, let's focus Insecurities.

Speaker 1:

We're 25 minutes in, I know, but this is fun, it is fun. Who cares? Uh, now we can get serious for a little bit.

Speaker 2:

Stop and just go with the new brand now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I know that's gonna be. It's gonna be. No, we need to okay you need you all.

Speaker 2:

We went through and we talked about how insecurities impact our lives and our physical health and our mental health, and then we went into talking about awareness awareness, gaining awareness, self-awareness, emotional EQ and basically starting to learn yourself, and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2:

And now we're talking about hopefully overcoming your insecurities or learning to live with your insecurities. And I think some insecurities you're going to overcome and some insecurities you're going to have to learn to live with, which is a form of overcoming them, I guess, living with them but not allowing them to have the same, minimizing the impact they have on your mental health, I guess, and your relationships maybe I think, yeah, that's great, I have.

Speaker 1:

So should we? I don't know what's harder or where we should. I don't know that it matters which way we go first. Do you want to talk about maybe some that you, or one example even of an insecurity that you maybe still have, that you live with and how you go about that, are you?

Speaker 2:

comfortable with and how you go about that. Are you comfortable with that? I think one of my we've talked about this online, offline one of being an entrepreneur for 20 years and having gone through the great recession and blah blah, like I'm at this point, I'm very committed to being an entrepreneur or an intrapreneur, or just eat what you kill or whatever it is. I've learned that there's an upside in being not dependent on the teat of corporate America, I guess, and that's how that's my lifestyle. But with that has come some pretty deep-rooted insecurities that maybe were I had a preposition for, maybe even from my childhood. But one is imposter syndrome, and this is like imposter syndrome, I think comes with all these other things, right, keeping up with the Joneses and comparing yourself to other entrepreneurs or other professionals, and then there's this is these are, I guess, the insecurity is really this whole, I guess, plate of things that come with being an entrepreneur, right? Some people.

Speaker 2:

I think, handle it better than others, and I can tell you that it was awful when I was younger. I just didn't have. There was just this learning curve. So what kept?

Speaker 1:

you.

Speaker 2:

It's an easy question. I know you're going to ask me what kept me in it? Yeah, the Great Recession. I didn't have a choice.

Speaker 2:

So, this is really. What happened is that I was a 24 year old. I got an opportunity to start a company with another guy, a construction company. He had the money, I had the connections and the sales abilities, which worked well together. I was going to be a millionaire. I was 24. I'm like I don't have to work for the man anymore. I also did have pretty pretty when I was younger. I was a challenger Like I didn't. If it didn't make sense to me, I wasn't going to fucking do it. I didn't care who you were. If you were my boss, which I was very smart. So when I, even for the first couple of years I worked for a corporation, I moved up to management really quick. I was good at what I did. I made the company money, but I did not listen to my managers, particularly if I didn't respect them, and it became a problem. So and I was a 25 year old, 24 year old. So anyway, that has nothing to do with my insecurities. So I started this company.

Speaker 2:

I'm only laughing because I feel like you've just described me, but I'm still stuck.

Speaker 1:

It happens, somebody wants to be told what to do.

Speaker 2:

So funny, okay, sorry. So then the Great Recession happened and it got really dark and tough right, this was a dark time in my life, but there weren't any jobs.

Speaker 2:

What the fuck was I going to do? I'm a 20. I had no seniority. I had really no real experience. There weren't any jobs. People were getting fired left and right, so it was basically like just hang on to the company, make what money you can out of it. The sort of rescue money or the Obama money that came out helped, because that's how I got into geothermal, because they were funding renewables which really saved any shred of what we had at the company.

Speaker 2:

And then I decided through that to put myself through my MBA program at the end of it the tail end of it. And then the recession started to wane and I was hooked on the. I was making enough money that I would squirrel it away. And I just learned to squirrel money away and invest it and just live, you know, prioritize my expenses. But then as I got older with all that, like I've, I've had these sort of ups and downs really good years or really good runs and bad runs, and good runs and bad runs. And after 20 years of it I look back and I'm like, was that the right choice? I know it was when I think about it, but at the same time it's.

Speaker 2:

Some people in my sphere have done very well not being entrepreneurs and some have done well being entrepreneurs or they got in the tech industry and I just question my. I think one of my insecurities is I'm always questioning the decisions I'm making instead of owning them. But I've gotten much better at owning them, but it's ingrained in me to compare myself to others and I have awareness around it and I don't know why I do that. It's just something that I do and it does it manifests some insecurities. So you know, one of the ways I guess that I live with that is I have awareness around it, and I've just learned to really have awareness around how, like rewarding my career has been in my path, what it's amount to.

Speaker 2:

It's made me a very intelligent, uh, professional and human being, because I've had to learn everything, learn the hard way, just learn, you know, pick tasks. There's no thing that can really. There's no challenge that I wouldn't dive into, really Like I'm a problem solver, and it's made me very confident to talk to people. It's made me feel comfortable. I don't ever feel uncomfortable around anybody. I mean, you can put me in a room with the president of the United States, three of the most successful billionaires in the world, influencers, who you name it, and I would navigate that room and I would have meaningful conversations with all those people and I think that came that comes from just always being out of the box right In my life 20 years of this.

Speaker 1:

Would you say that you've? You are pretty comfortable being uncomfortable then, because it seems like there's a lot of unsureness. Is that a word? What you're describing to me is you have to be okay, not having all the answers, but just continue to move forward.

Speaker 2:

Well, I think the biggest one is the unsureness or the unknowns, the black swan of being an entrepreneur. The black swans of being an entrepreneur are anxiety. They drive anxiety if you don't have a pulse on them. I think the bigger one, particularly in the younger years of being an entrepreneur, even still now, is the financial insecurity you just don't know. Like I've told you this before, I've had years where I make very little money and then I've had years where I make fucking a lot of money and the way that I've dealt with that is I've gotten comfortable with what I have my forerunner, my house, the things I have and I don't need my forerunner, my house, the things I have and I don't need.

Speaker 2:

I'm always waiting for the fucking hurricane, right. So like I don't not travel and I not go out and I don't not spend money, but I don't need big, flashy things, I don't need to keep up. I've learned that it's not important for me to keep up with the Joneses I don't need to keep up with. I've never been a keep up with the Joneses in a physical sort of I need the same car, I need the same house. It's been more of a keeping up with people that I think are doing well professionally or like whatever. It's not a monetary thing, it's more of should I be there in my career? Should I have done this? But the money thing, the financial insecurity for me is one that will always I mean I could have. I'm one of those people that could probably have millions and millions of dollars and I'm still going to be. Am I just going to run out? And I'll still live in a modest home with a modest car and I obviously will take some luxuries, but that's just. That's also a part of how I grew up.

Speaker 1:

I was gonna say, if you've ever, if you've ever gone without, it's very easy to like, feel like you never have enough, then yeah.

Speaker 1:

Right, so you're always looking. So it's like kind of that difference of like scarcity versus an abundance mindset. But you've also like, strategically, you have your life situated in a way like where you have a very nice home and car that isn't necessarily all like brand new, but that supports you having these fluctuations financially, but that won't create a ton of anxiety around it because you have things that are very reasonable to allow for that flexibility and so they like, like you don't have to have whatever like the newest car or the whatever right, because with that comes more bills or more financial obligations.

Speaker 2:

Well, I mean, if you don't mean, to my mindset cars to me are like anything that doesn't appreciate to me is like terrible. So I don't waste money on, I mean, my 4Runner is fucking awesome. It's my ride or die. It's great you have the same one.

Speaker 2:

They're like great fucking cars. Mine's got some dings and scratches, scratches, but it just shows character now but it's, I love that car and I love my house. And buying things that are just for show that don't appreciate. You try to minimize those in life and make investments, and so that I guess part of it is prioritizing what's important to you. And I just just wanted to allude on this, just point this out too, that another way that I've controlled this the financial thing and the entrepreneur thing, and I think is deep down, I've always have anxiety about having children and being married.

Speaker 2:

Right, and if I had to guess and I know it was because any time that, when Lauren and I were trying to have kids or any time, I thought maybe that was going to be a thing and I wanted it it just it was so much anxiety because, like, just the fine, I didn't know there's no control anymore. Right, like you, when you have children, or even when you're married, it doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to be this way, but as a, you just lose. I would have. The anxiety that I was having was losing control of my financial, the financial control I had over my situation, because I always knew, like I always want to be able to weather the storm.

Speaker 2:

I want to be able to make the investment in a new company or a new idea and like I want my money to be somewhat liquid or be able to do stuff, and I think that's part of the reason why I don't have kids. It's because I don't, because it's such a significant finance, significant insecurity for me that's unfortunately there. It's just like why throw fuel on that fire, and I think I've learned to sort of just live with that. That was part of the repercussions of being an entrepreneur. I think for me it's not the only reason.

Speaker 1:

Do you think you'll ever overcome that insecurity, or do you think it's just something that you have to actively manage? Is there any number of, or like any amount of money you could have in the bank or any thing that could happen to give you that security? Yeah, there's a number okay, and is that achievable?

Speaker 2:

or yeah, it's definitely achievable and I'm definitely working towards it, but I'm trying to do it.

Speaker 2:

I'm doing it in a way that I'm not sacrificing the like, the life that I want to have now, right like I'm not one of those people that's gonna be like I'm not gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be immobile until I'm 60 and have 6 million bucks. No, like, I'm going to travel, I'm going to do the things. I'm just a little bit like more mindful of doing certain things. But I think, yeah, if I had my number, I think the stress would go away. Yeah, for the most part, I just don't have my numbers so in the meantime, what are?

Speaker 1:

it sounds like you have like modest living, car situation, like things like that. So you have maybe a budget or your priorities of how you spend money to give you some comfort with not with that insecurity, I guess, right. Is there anything else that you feel like you do to.

Speaker 2:

Well, a lot of it's mental right. So, it's not that I don't have money. A lot of it's mental.

Speaker 1:

No, I know that.

Speaker 2:

It's a matter of me basically gaining the perspective and remembering that you're fine.

Speaker 2:

And and I think one of the biggest things I got to do is loosening up. I do like I'm reluctant to spend money sometimes and that's stupid, which so I'm part of the part of managing the insecurity is remembering that you need to spend your money because you could fucking die tomorrow. Right, and so that's part of it too. And then the other way that I deal with it is I work really hard and I'm very smart about it. I'm trying to make the right decisions around what I'm doing with my expertise and I'm also like I am unapologetic about being a capitalist.

Speaker 2:

This is my job. I'm in capital markets and I don't and I'm not doing anything to destroy the world. But I'm like very much coming from a blue collar family that had to fight. Like money to me is the money that I make is for my family and my people, and I'm very unapologetic about that. Like I am very much in favor of volunteering my time for nonprofits and blah, blah, blah, but I'm just until I have my number. My money is for me and my family, because I'm a very much of take care of your people, your bloodline you know, that's I keep wired in us.

Speaker 2:

So I'm unapologetic about that, because being in commercial real estate financing stuff, we get a bad rap, I think, sometimes, and developers and this and that and fuck you.

Speaker 1:

Do you think you can actually overcome insecurities or do you think they're always like there and we just get better and better at managing them and keeping them at bay?

Speaker 2:

oh, I absolutely think you can overcome insecurities. Yeah, I think you can overcome them to a sense that you look back on them and they don't. They don't even register anymore.

Speaker 1:

I think because where I'm going with this is okay, you say you get, say you have that, whatever that number is, that would help you feel less. It like that would help you feel less, like that would help you feel more comfortable financially. Are you really have you really overcome the insecurity, or is it just that you're comfortable and now it's not, it's no longer a worry Like you still cause. If that money went away, you'd still have that insecurity, right.

Speaker 2:

Well, I think there's two things happening.

Speaker 2:

I think one the insecurity will go away if the number exists. It should for anybody that has a reasonable head on their shoulders. The other part of it, too, is like I don't get anxiety. The difference is that I think I've overcome the insecurity in the sense that I don't really get anxiety from it any longer. So there will always be this sort of one insecurity that I don't have my number yet and I need to have it, which is more anxiety, to be honest with you. And then there's this lack of anxiety around the day-to-day stuff where you're doing okay and that I have managed through making sure that I always gain the perspective I should have.

Speaker 2:

You make X amount of money more than other people. It's always go back to your people should do this too. Again, everybody gets dealt the cards. They get dealt with, but for the most part I'm a white man, six foot five man born in America. Like I have the perspective around the fact that just that in its own right is fucking gift and birth gift Right. It's a hand that was dealt to me, so I put that in perspective to like we're just living life.

Speaker 1:

L I B, I am baby you know, uh, where'd you pull that one from?

Speaker 2:

That's my buddy.

Speaker 1:

Matthew, I like it. Um what about you? I the, that's my buddy, matthew, I like it what about you, the first place my mind goes to.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean obviously. Well, as I tell you this next one, I mean clearly mine are all like external physical appearance maybe. So I've always struggled with weight in my life, like up down, up down, whatever, and it's always been tied to like very stressful periods in life, and then, as I look back to it, there's definitely a certain way I have to eat that I've been. That supports me feeling and looking my best and being at like a weight that I'm comfortable, like where I feel my best. And, interestingly, though, like you try to follow what like diet trends or what people like trainers tell you to do or whatever. None of that shit works for me.

Speaker 1:

So I just remember trying to date and just not feeling great, and it was like you try to have acceptance or like self-love around wherever you are, and I've definitely gotten better about that Cause now that I've, now that I'm in like a I don't know I'm very happy with like where I'm at, but I do fluctuate a little bit like probably like a 10, 15 pound, like weight range or whatever, but now it's like different stuff that I'm like very critical of myself over. So I'm trying to just be good with it and just trying to have some acceptance and like change, kind of that story that you tell yourself. But still, like I think sometimes I worry if I am too okay with where I'm at, that I'll just let it go and eat whatever I want and gain 50 pounds, which I don't want to do, but I don't know. So for me it's probably. I think my biggest insecurity is probably around weight.

Speaker 1:

Me, it's probably. I think my biggest insecurity is probably around weight not right now, but like it it has been. And yeah, stress is like not friendly to me when?

Speaker 2:

is it a fear of getting being overweight, or fear of letting yourself go, or what?

Speaker 1:

I think it's all of it like I just don't feel like the outside matches the inside. If I were like 50 pounds heavier than I am, like it just it doesn't feel comfortable to me. It's cause also if, when I, there's a lot of garbage food that we can buy and we have very easy access to that can make you feel like shit, from joint pain to digestive problems or whatever, and so I have that like very dialed in. And one of the ways that I overcame it is I just I made a choice one day and I kept hearing the words like elimination, diet over the course of a year, like I was just I was having a lot of issues, just like a broad spectrum of stuff, and so I was seeing a naturopath, I was trying to do all these things. I had a personal trainer, I went to a private gym. I was doing all the things. I was spending a ton of time, I was getting very muscular, but like I was not losing any weight. I was going to Orange Theory all the time and I love Orange Theory, but it does not love me. So I think some of it is like stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. Stop worrying about what people tell you to do Figure out what works for you is probably the best thing I could tell people and I've had to.

Speaker 1:

Just finally, I'm dealing with some pain right now that I think was partially because I just overdid it way too much at Orange Theory. Like I love that place and I love the community around it, I love the workouts for me mentally, but it raises my cortisol levels. Like I hold on to fat when I go there. So I'm like working my ass off and I just I gain muscle but I don't lose any of the fat, so then I actually just get bigger. It's okay. Well, that wasn't what I wanted, exactly, right. So I just and it's a bummer because I really love a lot of the coaches and the people that go there and it makes me pretty sad, but like but are you gaining weight and muscle or are you gaining weight and fat?

Speaker 1:

I'm gaining muscle and not losing the fat oh, I see so.

Speaker 2:

So what are you doing? What's like the the solution?

Speaker 1:

Well, I don't Okay. So I stopped going there, also partially because of this like injury I'm nursing. So I I do a lot better with Pilates but I'm like not gaining the muscle that I want, which is the problem. But it's very good for me mentally. It's low impact. So it's like good for my knees, because I've had knee surgery and stuff. So that works really well for me and I'm walking a lot.

Speaker 1:

So walking is like probably the best exercise you can actually do. It's low stress. It is helps reduce inflammation. It's not. It doesn't raise your heart rate so much that you then are like super hungry. Obviously, if you go on a very long hike or something, it's going to make you more hungry, but it's like actually a really good exercise.

Speaker 1:

It just I feel like for me there's so many times I want to be like, oh, I'm running a 10K or people are doing a marathon or hiking a 14 or there's all these like extreme things you can do and I love the sort of adrenaline or the push for that, but it's just not good for my body right now. So I think just stress level wise, like Pilates is really good for me. So like today, before you came over, I walked over to Pilates, did my class and then came home so I got probably about three miles of walking in just for that piece and Pilates and it's like really relaxing and it's like it's an easy workout. And I do get sore from it, like maybe not as, not nearly as much as I did at Orange Theory, but so I'm doing that right now and trying to see how my body responds to that.

Speaker 1:

I'm doing a lot of chiropractor and other stuff too, like dry needling and whatnot, but for me it was all nutrition. I guess what has worked, for me at least, was dial in my nutrition and the weight just came off. The inflammation went down, the weight came off my nutrition and the weight just came off. The inflammation went down, the weight came off. And then the whatever workout routine is more about like building muscle and have and I do it more for like mental, for my like mental wellness than I do for an effect on the scale. So it's more for like muscle and mental wellness for me.

Speaker 2:

So when you're so going back to the insecurity and I think this is more of an insecurity, that of that everybody has when they midlife, it's things getting things get a little less, a little more loose.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Things look a little older and we're having to learn to love our older bodies right, and I think there's an insecurity that particularly comes with midlife, that we transition from being able to eat 15 burgers and a pizza and our metabolism is good for you, you're cool.

Speaker 1:

Go run 10 miles to I ate a pizza and now it took me a year to fucking work it off yeah, it's hard that's a real so but just like how you have geared your, just like you have chosen a home and a car that supports your style of career so that you can keep your stress around finances like manageable. That's how I would summarize, like a little bit of what you said earlier.

Speaker 1:

For me with this. I try I know what I can and can't eat and I know where I can cheat and where I can't. Like where I can cheat that I can get it right back. Like I can have French fries but I cannot have pasta on the regular, like I could eat fries more way, more often than I could have pasta. So I just so I know that Right and I like make the choices that support that.

Speaker 1:

Because I don't want number one, I don't want to feel like shit. And number two, I want to feel good in my body. I want to show up as the best version of myself and I feel really good in the things that I wear, the things in my closet I have over the last I have two sizes of clothes that I like toggle between and I'm good with that. Like, as long as I feel comfortable and I feel like it compliments my body, then I'm happy with that. It's when it's when the choices I make start to make me feel like shit on the inside too, that then it's because, for example, if I eat pasta or bread, like my face will puff up, like it gets so much inflammation from the gluten and just like the processed flour and wheat that I can't do. It Like it takes me a really long time to get my body back in check from that and so and really I have I'm pretty much grain free for the most part because I have that same. The same kind of thing will happen with other grains as well. So there's things I can do and can't do, but just like you it's I have to.

Speaker 1:

Just the food I keep at home fits within a pretty strict. I mean it's for the most part pretty clean eating, whole food. I do have some protein bars that if I need it I have them, but they're like the best ingredients I could find of a protein bar I keep like the chomp sticks around. I have the fruit bars. So there is, there are stuff, there's things that are processed that I do eat, but I try to keep them as like good of an ingredient as I can. So if the last couple of months I don't know I've definitely just cheated more than I should Like, just when eating out, like having French fries or whatever potatoes I do really well with but just like they're fried in canola oil, so you can't really be like that's not good, um, so one of the things I'll do is I just make a commitment to myself to, okay, I'm going to eat at home like 90% of the time or whatever that is.

Speaker 1:

So I've dialed that in and then to help keep things going and to really learn more, I ended up like then getting my nutrition coaching certification. I started up a side business and so I like I'll coach friends and people and anybody really, but most of it has been like friends or friends of friends that wanted some help with nutrition stuff that I will coach on this and anybody that's around me. I try to help people just make better choices. So the like I'm sure you don't like the peanut butter I had you try, but hopefully I don't remember.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I think I bought it.

Speaker 1:

Oh, have you tried it yet? No, okay, but there's just things like little changes people can do, so I don't know. I try to turn the negative into a positive and try to just make it more of a lifestyle and things that, like I can share with other people too then.

Speaker 2:

But I think that will always be that share the same insecurity.

Speaker 1:

What's that?

Speaker 2:

That share the same insecurity.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, or just I think weight is something a lot of people struggle with. What's that connect with people and just live a healthier? Even if you don't have to lose like any weight to lose you could still maybe make some better choices that support a healthy lifestyle and like living longer and not getting sick. And now I'm going down like I'm getting off the insecurity topic, but I've been going back to what you're doing.

Speaker 2:

I mean so you're I mean just like me with, like my work, working hard and staying focused, like changing the story that you tell yourself.

Speaker 1:

So like just and keeping yourself accountable, or if it, if that's hard, like part of why I like going to orange theory or going to Pilates is the accountability of signing up for a class and things like that. And so like I have what works for me. Like I wish I could just I also have a rec center pass and I only pay 200 bucks a year for that. I mean that's literally cheaper than one month of Pilates, which is disgusting, but whatever, I wish I could go there, but I'm not great at holding myself accountable to going to the gym, cause I'll just procrastinate that. So I just know that is not setting me up for success and though I like going there and I will go to the rec center, I don't do that regularly. That's just like an add on bonus. Like I want to start swimming again soon, so I'll probably use the rec center to do that. But but the point would be like I want to set myself up for success. I'm choosing to look at the situation and figure out what can I control and what can't I control and what are some things that work for me, and just keep trying different things. I think is also like an important thing. It's really easy when we fail at something to like, not get up and try again to like, not have that resilience. So I always try to build a little bit of failure into my plans and if I don't like something, change it, make the choice, change it. Look at what's happening. Like is it? Am I maybe up a few pounds because I've had? I've been traveling a lot, or what are some better ways? What are some things I can do to set myself up for success when I have a bunch of travel coming up for work and stuff? Um, and actually what's really cool is this has gone so far that the people I work with like they know that I want to eat healthy, even when I'm on the road. So like everybody was like really amazing this week, every place that we went to lunch cause I ate every meal out and they took me to like the most amazing places that actually supported like what I eat they were like okay, do you want? So everywhere I went had either a steak or burgers or like chicken, like just like whole food options for me, which was great.

Speaker 1:

There's people that like all over, whether it be coworkers or friends or whomever that know. I'm not going to go off the rails and so they will either ask me or they know and they'll make good choices. Typically I ask to pick where we're eating because I don't want to be difficult, but I'll just say is it okay if I plan that, or I'll plan like work events, and then I make sure I'm managing that, um, and if I don't, if it's not in my control, I make sure that I have a hotel. That's like easy access to a grocery store, or I figure out how to get to a grow so like the place I stay. In Boston there's a grocery store one block away. That is the first stop. I make sure when I land that I have enough time to either go there that night or the next morning.

Speaker 1:

I stock up on like my basics and I have every, and then that's my home office so I can leave like vinegar, like whatever I need, like I have a closet, or like a cabinet that I leave stuff in and set yourself up for success.

Speaker 1:

Or I, when I travel, I put like a bag of I take like cashews, pistachios cause those are nuts that I can eat, my body likes them the protein bars and fruit bars, the chomp sticks.

Speaker 1:

Like I take all the types of like easy access snacks so that I have food options for myself at any given time. I even go as far as taking like a thing of Stevia with me, cause that's what I use for sweetener. So you just it's like a different lifestyle and that's really it's really. I think the best way to maybe combat this or live with some insecurities is just look at, take a step back, look at what's in your control, what's out of your control. Do what you can that's in your control and do your best to like learn how to accept the things that are out of your control, but then change the script in your head too and try to be like kind to yourself around that if you're not I mean, I think, acceptance, like once you start managing your insecurities, I think the things that you'll notice right away are you don't have the anxiety around it any longer.

Speaker 2:

You can still have insecurities, but if it's not triggering the responses, then you've figured out how to manage it right. You've either given it the appropriate perspective, you've eliminated putting yourself in certain situations that are causing the, causing a flare-up, I guess, of the insecurity. Or you would ask me a few minutes ago can you actually just eliminate the insecurities? And I, and the answer to that is absolutely like there's insecurities that don't even register with me anymore in my life.

Speaker 1:

So can you think of an example or cause? I'm thinking of ones.

Speaker 2:

The I think the biggest one is around the, around women and like what they like. I guess putting so much weight into what they think of me right, like it's important that they think I'm a good person and blah, blah, blah it doesn't impact my because I'm trying to be a good person, right, but like I don't if they don't think I'm, if they reject me or they don't think I'm handsome, or if they don't, if I'm not the match for them, it doesn't trigger my ego and the insecurities or any of that stuff.

Speaker 2:

I walk around now and go on dates and then if she doesn't like me, then she didn't like me, that's okay because she, then everybody can like me and yeah, that's just gone. I like it um, and I don't, and with that left the anxious attachment and all that stuff so could I fall back into there?

Speaker 2:

maybe, but I think that in order for me to fall back into that insecurity I think I would have to have, I would have to lose the relationship, the positive relationship I have with myself. Somehow Something would have to happen to kick me back into the hole, and but all of that stuff went away because of the perspective and the relationship I have with myself now and the awareness I have around, like life in general, my life and how, and all that stuff, that it wasn't just that insecurity that went away, but I think some other stuff went away too, and so going back and a good way to wrap up the owning a long podcast, I think is to remember and we'll take this into the rebrand is that this I can't extend.

Speaker 2:

I can't, we can't accentuate any more than we already do how important it is to build a healthy relationship with yourself. And with that comes all of these episodes about dealing with your insecurities and self-awareness and emotional IQ and boundaries, and therapy and all the things, because you're ultimately like your relationship with yourself always exists until you die, because that's the relationship. It's always going to be there. You're always going to be there with yourself. So it is a priority and I think, without even addressing your insecurities and all that stuff, if you just focus on that, it's all going to get there, and I guess that's one way to put it in terms of wrapping up I don't know if you have any more to say I feel like we've talked.

Speaker 1:

So I mean, obviously this is like the third episode on this and I think there's always going to be little sprinkles of us talking about insecurities just in general, because it's a lot of. I mean, if we look at that we're we were brainstorming like topics for our future and stuff, but I think insecurities are a big part of who we are and what molds us and like I think just I don't have anything else to really add. I don't think at this point I think we've talked a lot about it and we'll still like mention I don't know things in the future.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, I think we talked about it too, like we, I actually went back and listened to these and had some little feedback. I think these went okay for not being mental health professionals. I think we've talked let's talk a little bit about the rebrand now. So we've the great reveal it's going to be titled midlife unfucked, and I think it'll be great for our listeners.

Speaker 2:

What we found is that our listeners aren't all single 40 somethings that are living alone. A lot of them are married and some of them are divorced. Some of them have kids, some of them don't have kids, and the reality is it's just a bunch of 35 to 55 year olds listening to us talk about real shit and we still want to keep correct me if I'm wrong we still want to keep a little bit of the definitely like promoting mental health and awareness and all that stuff, but we want to get a little more just into midlife all kinds of things with a focus on giving people perspective and normalizing things that need to be normalized and talking about the funny things and some of the serious things. We want to bring more people. We want to make an effort to do at least a couple interviews every week to get some other some new journeys and stories and take a little load off us so we can just listen and ask questions.

Speaker 2:

We're going to keep the Love Laugh Lounge and tweak that a little bit. And yeah, midlife Unfucked is coming. The next episode. It'll still be under the same RSS feed, so you won't have to go find us. It'll be, you know just one.

Speaker 1:

We're taking you with us.

Speaker 1:

It'll be a different cover but, yeah, I think one of the bigger shifts I think a lot of, if you, as I've listened back, I think we were trying to especially with this like insecurity one.

Speaker 1:

It's hard because all we aren't mental health professionals, but you and I both prioritize mental health and awareness for ourselves. So I think what's important to know going forward is it's more of like our we're. We want to be open and share our stories and what has worked for us and like obviously sharing even in like real time, as we're going through things and hopefully people, hopefully you guys all will gain something from that and hopefully some of you will be comfortable coming on. Maybe, if you I just had a friend that asked if she could come on soon, so we're going to figure that out. But if you guys are interested in coming on or have a topic that you want to hear about or that you would be comfortable coming and being on an episode with us, we would love to hear from you. But I think the big thing is like we want to share our experiences and hopefully that helps you in your journey.

Speaker 2:

And bring on other people to share their experiences, and I think everything from yeah, all of it I think there's a lot of stuff that us in our midlife are going through or enjoying or not enjoying, or struggling with or just the realities of getting older that would be that are worth discussing, and I think we've you and I. We enjoy doing this and enjoy talking to people and talking about things, and it's just, it's going to expand a lot of the topics that we have and I think we're always going to try to talk about bringing mental health or self-improvement in. But I think we're always gonna try to talk about bringing mental health or self-improvement in, but I think we have a real opportunity to also bring professionals into with the new brand and like we're figuring shit out and we can get professionals.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love the episode of blake too.

Speaker 2:

I mean he's having the actual professional in some of these regards, it's gonna be really rewarding for us, yeah, and taking a little bit of the light show spotlight off us a little bit and putting on some of our guests and let's edit a little less.

Speaker 1:

We're going to edit a little less because I really like the last I don't edit, I know, but so I think it's going to be fun. So the other thing before. If you're done with that topic right now, I have two more.

Speaker 2:

There Are 10 questions for you we're going to sign off with there Are 10.

Speaker 1:

I didn't prepare anything, it's okay, I just had two instances this week and I would really like to know your opinion on these. Hang on, I might have to grab my phone. Hang on one second. I need to turn this off.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to show you a picture, let's go with this.

Speaker 1:

Hold, please, please, we're not editing, I know so, so you wouldn't hear all the rustling, okay, all right, so sorry, that was really loud. Okay, they're a 10 but, but they're 10 they want you to wear matching clothes whenever you travel.

Speaker 2:

Look at this I'm sure they're 10. Look, I think that makes my nine what husband, wife and child all matching.

Speaker 1:

And then I went to get my nails done.

Speaker 2:

I mean they can't be a yeah no, because that's no, not with a kid too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, with a kid too, and it's like a pattern.

Speaker 2:

I would do it for one vacation, if we're going to do this.

Speaker 1:

So legit. So the guy that does my nails. I was like, can you can, because this happened on saturday morning. And then I went and this was in the airport on saturday and then I went straight there to get my nails done and I was like, can you believe this? Would you do this? And he was like, oh yeah, my wife makes us do that every time we travel. And then he showed me a bunch of pictures of not a bunch, he showed me one, but he said that they do it all the time and regularly she dresses the boys in the same outfit or the same shirt or whatever as him, but then when they traveled, all three or all four of them match.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

It's cute, but I wouldn't do that. I couldn't, I would, I would feel so weird, I feel like she's not a 10 anymore. No, do that. I couldn't. I would. I would feel so weird. I feel like she's not a 10 anymore. No, she's not a 10 anymore. Okay, so I finally got you to wait. What did they drop? To you, said a nine, yeah, okay, all right, so my other one, because I'd still do it.

Speaker 2:

I'd still do it.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I'm not saying you wouldn't okay, so smash or pass. Yeah, okay, so you're gonna smash um I'm always gonna smash a 10 okay. The other one is they're a 10 but they run like Phoebe. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2:

Phoebe from Friends. I can't stand Phoebe from Friends. Is there any sort of resemblance to her?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, she like runs, like her limbs are all over the place. So what reminded me of that is when I was out walking around the lake the other day. This guy was running but he almost had T-Rex arms and they were just bouncing and I was like what is this? I don't understand.

Speaker 2:

It was just like an awkward run Runners like start to adopt weird habits when they run.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I'm sure I'm not trying to make fun of anybody, but yeah, no, I am a little bit. It was just like a funny looking pup, like I guess.

Speaker 2:

for they're a 10, but they run like Phoebe.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, can I show you. Let me see if I can find the quick video.

Speaker 2:

I mean I'm going to go ahead and say they're still a 10. I don't care.

Speaker 1:

You don't care, but what if you run together? Would you run I?

Speaker 2:

wouldn't care. That type of stuff doesn't bother me. Oh, this is her.

Speaker 1:

Here it is. Hang on, I can't believe this. Oh shoot, it's going to be. She's so embarrassed. That wasn't so bad. The one in the park the other day he was just like his arms. His hands were up by his shoulders like his arms were folded and his hands were flopping maybe it's very efficient for him. I don't know, maybe it is, maybe that's just where he's comfortable, that's fine, but um, anyways, okay, so you think there's still a 10 at that point yeah okay sorry, I was just yawning it's fine, you're tired.

Speaker 1:

Is this our cue to sign off?

Speaker 2:

yeah, this is it for the. Well, this is it for the only lone podcast, as I resurrected on my own. Someday, we in the next episode will will be midlife unfucked.

Speaker 1:

I like it, here we come.

Speaker 2:

Come up with a tagline, all right. Well, this Sasquatch is out. Bye.

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